tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8840029558919433184.post3556185851699859779..comments2023-10-22T01:15:54.689+11:00Comments on Games Lecture: Class 6: Social PlayFlorian 'Floyd' Muellerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17545757857242519792noreply@blogger.comBlogger46125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8840029558919433184.post-9280059846041445692009-06-10T14:53:47.251+10:002009-06-10T14:53:47.251+10:00In terms of game design, exploring the physical sp...In terms of game design, exploring the physical space and the virtual space is a must. We have to understand what we're trying to mimic or create.<br /><br />If 'jogging over a distance' can create connectivity between running partners then I wonder what the future can hold for all sorts of sports. Maybe the same technology can be used for swimmers or skiers, etc.<br /><br />Sama (3239506)Sama Rindhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08933126429989475425noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8840029558919433184.post-60965378305267789922009-06-10T14:47:52.078+10:002009-06-10T14:47:52.078+10:00This comment has been removed by the author.Sama Rindhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08933126429989475425noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8840029558919433184.post-6127889102766170612009-06-09T16:45:53.661+10:002009-06-09T16:45:53.661+10:00As usual, another awesome class.Also, the presenta...As usual, another awesome class.Also, the presentations were great in my opinion. It was interesting to hear the groups present their ideas.<br /><br />"Jogging over a distance " was an excellent idea. It seem as if two joggers from separate cities are actually slogging it out together.The advantage over just whipping out a cellphone is that as one runner goes faster, their voice appears to be coming from further ahead to the other runner, which could presumably help motivation. I used to jog, u know, long time ago... I don't really like the idea of talking to someone else while jogging because I used my lungs to breathe heavily in such a workload..we know that people tend to breathe harder when exercise, and when people breathe like that it's almost impossible to speak...Of course, anyway, it is a clever idea and we can feel more fun in exercising.<br /><br />Also, i like the explainations of parallel games and non-parallel games. Before that i cant figure out clearly the differences between them.<br /><br />That's all i thought on this lecture. Thanks!<br /><br />Jiajing Zhang (s3213125)Jiajing Zhangnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8840029558919433184.post-69936065904622047732009-06-07T21:30:17.532+10:002009-06-07T21:30:17.532+10:00I agree that it is incredibly difficult to differe...I agree that it is incredibly difficult to differentiate types of socialization. Physical socialization is clearly the more traditional form of communication. One that has been tried and tested for many generations. One barrier that has plagued communication however has been distance, it began with the phone, covering one facet of communication and it is now evolving into games like Floyds ball wall game. Where people can interact physically over long distances. <br />The most logical conclusion is that although some people are able to create friendships etc in a non tangible form, most cannot. In the same way you would be uneasy purchasing a product over the internet you couldn’t physically inspect. <br />Even in MMO’s anonymous players can only socialize to the confines of the game world. Only two friends entering into a mmo together can enjoy the social aspects and are namely because they are left to operate it as a common communicative device. <br /><br />Despite the ability to see one another like in Floyd’s wall ball game, people would still need to meet, to feel as connected as they otherwise would. So are human interactions heightened by games that contain physical interaction? Absolutely. Is this the complete definition or compromise for virtual socialization? No, without a tangible ground it is incomplete.<br /><br />However the atmosphere that is created by competition in gaming of any sort is uniform.Give_Uphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11776016975680707858noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8840029558919433184.post-61023594829432696952009-06-07T02:50:22.614+10:002009-06-07T02:50:22.614+10:00I don't entirely understand the concepts of pa...I don't entirely understand the concepts of parallel and non parallel, as I think there is a gray area with that theory. I think that even in a race it can become non-paralell. As for example running by youself on a track might cause you to run at a consistent pace, where running with other people on the same track, if you see an individual in front of you or beside you, that might prompt you to push youself to the physical limits. In fact I think one thing that needed to be talked about was the competition factor in all games. Competition and rivalry makes people want to play games more and is a major part of social gaming.George Selemidisnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8840029558919433184.post-5938870140707371552009-06-05T05:26:12.681+10:002009-06-05T05:26:12.681+10:00good lecturegood lectureChris_Tranhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08953023666819747056noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8840029558919433184.post-44337411031757427182009-06-04T16:11:15.474+10:002009-06-04T16:11:15.474+10:00This comment has been removed by the author.Give_Uphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11776016975680707858noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8840029558919433184.post-73144662520267839562009-06-04T13:58:25.210+10:002009-06-04T13:58:25.210+10:00In the beginning i was like paralell non paralell ...In the beginning i was like paralell non paralell i do not understanddd argghhh but then it was made clear to me floyd you are awesome i want maths and physics for the rest of my time at uni, sa fun!!! video games do not make people obese. you get fat because either you are born with a condidtion or you are a lazy twat with nothing to do with your life but sit on the couch all day eating doritos and smoking splif. trust me i know, this was once my life goal. when you play a video game there is no time to eat junk food. although the smoking part could make the game more fun (: yes exergames could be made for people to lose weight but its not because the video games made them fat in the first place.Amanda Joy Baileynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8840029558919433184.post-5888096366602498382009-05-30T21:11:50.779+10:002009-05-30T21:11:50.779+10:00Even though it's late, I'll still make my comment....Even though it's late, I'll still make my comment.<br /><br />The role of exergames in translating parallel gameplay to non-parallel gameplay is really interesting, and not something I had hitherto considered. But it's probably one of the main features of exergames that makes them interesting. I suppose you could also translate non-parallel gameplay into parallel gameplay as well - although it is hard to see why you would want to. <br /><br />I agree with the contention that Jogging Over a Distance is a bit superfluous. I see the idea - introduce social aspects to a solo activity - but the sole addition of a voice connection is insufficient to stand in for an actual physical presence.Lisanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8840029558919433184.post-19523048711511730292009-05-28T22:49:34.670+10:002009-05-28T22:49:34.670+10:00It was a nice lecture last week, I think the point...It was a nice lecture last week, I think the points rased by people both in the lecture and above have already stated what I would have said had they not been said already.<br /><br />@David Biro: Mariah LeCarey?<br />@Lauren: It's also good for getting away from political correctness and all that shit, since in a game there's not really a lot that can done about you shooting a rat or ending the world.Scott Battye S3201290noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8840029558919433184.post-65102062461771026302009-05-28T16:26:35.759+10:002009-05-28T16:26:35.759+10:00Presentations were excellent. Looking forward to t...Presentations were excellent. Looking forward to the next ones!Nednoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8840029558919433184.post-33781435857366991952009-05-28T16:23:46.569+10:002009-05-28T16:23:46.569+10:00Ciao a tutti!
The idea of morals/rules with games...Ciao a tutti!<br /><br />The idea of morals/rules with games really isn't black and white but it is not grey either. (self defeating statement...perhaps)<br /><br />The rules in games, aka the virtual world and the world that we exist in are very differnt. Sure if you killed someone in real life you will go to court, trial...and eventually jail, you will be wrecked with guilt and remorse (unless you are psychotic). However, take a game like the GTA series. You can kill as many people as you want, yeh, you get the whole star count and maybe if you are feeling particulary homicidal you might achieve the most wanted and have the entire law enforcement on your a$$ but it does not have the same consequences as REAL LIFE...what about Halo...the obejct of the game is to kill your oponent, that is the rules, you don't follow the rules and someone will pwn you. The main point of video games is to achieve some form of escapism from the real world, thus we create other virtual worlds that alike to our interests. They allow us to enter a dimension other than the one we live in, FREE from morals and rules that we are usually governed by. If you against killing you obviously are not going to play COD or Socom, but Catz or Psychonauts where you are not subjected to do that, yet still enter a new world where there are other morals/rules in everyday life you do not have to worry about and vice vera. If you want to let off some steam, you can go into a FPS or combat style game and vent your agression and frustration on some poor unsuspecting avatar without the emotional obligation of having to deal with letting that same frustration out on a REAL person. There is no excuse to confuse the virtual world and reality. You can't go out and kill your mother and say to the jurers on your murder trial...'I didn't mean to really kill her...i thought she would of respawnd' Because if that were the case, i would suggest getting youself checked out by a professional ^^<br />I guess the point that i am trying to make is that the sooner people stop relating video game violence, rules and other assests to that of the real world, the sooner we can move into a more civalised world.<br /><br />Another point that one of the groups made was obesity and video games.<br />Look at nerds...sorry for the sterotypical reference, but because they are so immersed in what they are doing they do not have time to binge on food. That is the same with the hardcore gamer you are not going to be sitting there eating chips and twisties if you are 111% involved in getting the sword of Azeroth. Eating junk food is a personal preference, it is not a video game related choice. The action of buying the food that makes you fat is the option that the individual makes, more likely, the same individual that bought the game. For instance, put a bowl of carrot sticks and twisties AND a glass of water and pepsi next to each other; then ask the gamer to chose a bowl and drink that they want while playing the game...there is your answer. It has NOTHING to do with gaming. The option is there, it is a matter of perference and CONVIENIENCE (that being junk food easier to gain access too and consists of no prepreation) so stop being lazy! NOTE: laziness == obesity...videogames != obesity<br /><br />Anyway that is all I can say on the last lecture, too much games studio >_<<br /><br />Lauren =]Laurenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13704391377746207028noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8840029558919433184.post-57203402118673945972009-05-28T16:14:52.491+10:002009-05-28T16:14:52.491+10:00i dont really understand where people are coming f...i dont really understand where people are coming from facing confusion around paralell and non-paralell games; paralell games are where the two competitors perform exactly the same task and the conflict is left up to whoever performs the task the best. during non-paralell games on the other hand, competitors must perform a task which is challenged by thier competitors. for example in tennis, one player serves with the goal of scoring. The competitor challenges this attempt to score by returning the ball with the intent of scoring themselves. the cycle continues until one player is successful, and in effect, the other is unsuccessful. in paralell games such as running, it is not required that one party is unsuccessful in thier task for the other party to win. both competitors can complete their task of crossing the finish line however there is most often only one winner.<br /><br />SAFE! :PAndrew Lewisnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8840029558919433184.post-80168234734992282902009-05-28T14:39:15.004+10:002009-05-28T14:39:15.004+10:00A really interesting class, I enjoyed a lot of the...A really interesting class, I enjoyed a lot of the points that were brought up. These classes always have such great debates.<br /><br />The Jogging over distance thing seems, to me, to be a bit silly, I mean, its cool that you can hear them running past you and stuff, but it would just be easier to get a hands free headset and cell phone would do the job just fine. Even a walky talky and a microphone would be fine.<br /><br />Long days and pleasent nights. Ben.Ben Taylor s3168518noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8840029558919433184.post-35147768086659025772009-05-28T14:37:46.957+10:002009-05-28T14:37:46.957+10:00Adrienne, 3236467 0___^
Parallel and non-parallel...Adrienne, 3236467 0___^<br /><br />Parallel and non-parallel games? 0.o AIIEEE, my brain. No, the explanition was really comprehensive, cheers for that Floyd. ^.^<br /><br />As far as jogging over a distance is concerned: why the hell bother? Just freaking go out and jog, there's so much you miss by using a game to replace it: the fresh air, the annoying kids in the park, the dog crap you accidentally step on, and passing hot chicks ^.^ for the guys. Besides, if they didn't want to jog before, why would they if hteres a game to do it? I find the exergame thing a great idea, but its not really meant to be another option, I don't think. In any event, it shouldn't replace what we already do just so some corporation fat cats can reel in more cash...unless I get a cut of it, mwahahahahaha.Adrienne 0____^ 3236467noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8840029558919433184.post-22493435316918949402009-05-28T14:34:38.621+10:002009-05-28T14:34:38.621+10:00Fun lecture! I liked seeing everyone's game ideas....Fun lecture! I liked seeing everyone's game ideas.<br /><br />I also thought the two groups of 7 did a great job! <br /><br />Another great Maths and physics lesson.<br /><br />Carla.Carlanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8840029558919433184.post-8176469086877156852009-05-28T14:16:45.684+10:002009-05-28T14:16:45.684+10:00Great lecture, though specifics of the lesson some...Great lecture, though specifics of the lesson somewhat fail me due to having done two presentations on the day. The parallel vs. non-parallel aspect of games was quite fascinating, and certainly an important thing to consider in the future of game design. Thinking about it too much is kind of resulting in a royal mindfuck though.<br /><br />RE. Jogging over a distance. A nice idea in theory, don't know how much of a success it'd be in practice. Different people will obviously have different tastes and approaches to exercise (my personal one being a resounding "D:"), but for those who enjoy the social aspect of exercising with other people but for some reason or another are unable to do so, this "game" will probably be very appealing. But for those who prefer solo exercise, or treat exercise purely as a means to achieve physical fitness - probably not.<br /><br />Nothing really wrong with a specific target group though, as you've pointed out.<br /><br />Personally I wouldn't use it, as for me, the idea of exercising with competition is super off-putting. Having the other person surpass me so far to the extent that I no longer hear them over the headset would just be depressing.<br /><br />PS. @Pranee: Yay Jeannette Winterson! She is 9000 shades of brilliant.Rachel Shinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8840029558919433184.post-10317399632862627572009-05-28T12:33:25.355+10:002009-05-28T12:33:25.355+10:00'Jogging over a distance' = One of the poorer game...'Jogging over a distance' = One of the poorer game ideas I've heard of. When I jog I listen to music to keep me motivated. I've noticed a lot of people do this as well. I've also asked some mates of mine if they'd like to hear me panting, wheezing and struggling for breath inside their head while they're trying to jog. Surprise, surprise they all said no. They'd prefer to listen to music. <br /><br />I think there is absolutely no appeal in being kept motivated by a person you can't even see. You are more likely to be kept motivated by a person actually, physically running next to you because you can't escape from them. But with 'Jogging over a distance' all you'd have to do is turn off the headset and ta-da you're free. It shouldn't be that easy, jogging is about getting or maintaining your fitness and you are more likely to do this with a person or group of people running with you instead of a voice in your head.<br /><br />If you want to race someone, meet them face to face in a park and do it. It's more social and more fun to rub it in their face when you beat them.Mark Contenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8840029558919433184.post-59750359289937794522009-05-28T11:36:35.359+10:002009-05-28T11:36:35.359+10:00The highlights:
-Bingo
-The lady from next door
-F...The highlights:<br />-Bingo<br />-The lady from next door<br />-Floyd drawing on the floor - tell that to the lady next door!<br />-Parallel and non-parallel games- that's a very interesting way to look at it<br />-And all the obvious things that have already been mentioned<br /><br />:)<br />-Kalonica Quigley<br />s3237922Kalonica Quigleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01077160422256748707noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8840029558919433184.post-40884915144755170192009-05-28T11:27:45.432+10:002009-05-28T11:27:45.432+10:00this thread is nao about chuck norris... i mean......this thread is nao about chuck norris... i mean...<br /><br />i enjoyed floyd's examples and unusual logic (parallel running race thing). it gave me some brain food and something to chew on on the train home.<br /><br />by the way,, i think some people are taking the arguement of exergaming a little too seriously. its another strand of gaming, it wasn't meant to be replacement for exercise!<br /><br />i'm done (:<br /><br />-dooshieAndrew Demetriounoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8840029558919433184.post-78339188993219961062009-05-28T11:20:06.157+10:002009-05-28T11:20:06.157+10:00Hello, its Nicholas Lim here.
I like how parallel...Hello, its Nicholas Lim here.<br /><br />I like how parallel games and non-parallel games were explained. Thanks Floyd! <br /><br />Up to this point I have always acknowledged that such concepts were present, where for example multiple players are directly at odds with each other face to face or indirectly opposing each other or rather, vying to come up on top. Now I actually have a term to denote the two concepts and styles of gameplay without having to explain the whole thing! <br /><br />Concerning Mariah LeRoy's comment on "Which is what games are about. Not fun, WINNING!":<br /><br />I believe that games are about having fun, entertainment, competition AND winning. I also feel that fun is had when you are playing and after you win or your team wins. So, to be specific, in my opinion on this matter, games are not all about just winning and pwning and my skill > your skill sort of thing. <br /><br />Concerning Pranee's quoted comment: "YOU PLAY YOU WIN, YOU PLAY YOU LOSE, YOU PLAY. IT'S THE PLAYING THAT COUNTS"<br /><br />That is a perfect answer. I think that the playing experience including all the losses and victories and shenanigans and gameplay definitely brings players back for more and more, so as to further experience more things through the game(s), regardless of platform and medium, exergame or not!<br /><br />That's all I wanted to properly comment on now, folks. <br /><br />Nicholas Lim<br />S3186372.Nicholas Limnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8840029558919433184.post-70016583104166770692009-05-28T11:10:30.347+10:002009-05-28T11:10:30.347+10:00I enjoyed Floyd point about the parallel and non-p...I enjoyed Floyd point about the parallel and non-parallel play in games. Iv been running and playing contact sports for many years and i never look at it like this!! It was a great in-site into how we can use these social mechanics to effect our game play!Josh Platthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13936686665088280247noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8840029558919433184.post-12181861299976202042009-05-28T10:07:52.731+10:002009-05-28T10:07:52.731+10:00After this lecture, I understand more about game t...After this lecture, I understand more about game theory and ideas. That influences gamemakers could have more idea in game designing . I could think to make a game more logic .I wondered when i want to design a game: "should i use parallel rule or sharing ( non-parallel)rules in game".<br /><br />I love exertion game , always vote for it. You play game to entertaining, relaxing , enjoying fun and to exercising. I agreed with Gan. what game you want to play between exertion game and video game> which one is more benefits?<br /><br />Nothing to say more because I have many assignment to finish..<br /><br />ThaoThao Uyen Thttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06202666918494986777noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8840029558919433184.post-59340311245048843932009-05-28T08:53:04.342+10:002009-05-28T08:53:04.342+10:00Video games cause people to be obese? Isn't that t...Video games cause people to be obese? Isn't that the point of creating an exer game that people would actually want to play while at the same time losing weight in the process?Ganhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18156562056231965381noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8840029558919433184.post-33175122914143237252009-05-28T02:15:01.719+10:002009-05-28T02:15:01.719+10:00I enjoyed each presentation, they were very detail...I enjoyed each presentation, they were very detailed and each person did fantastic at getting there points across.<br /><br />At first i did not understand what floyd was tryin to explain to us about parallel an non parallel game's. Gradually i was able to grasp what he was trying to say an i found it interesting the way he compared the two. <br /><br />I really like the way he explains things, helps me visual it rather then tryin to work it out in my head.Jessehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18317465227151516348noreply@blogger.com